Home Health Methods to Preserve Time: Methods to Look Busy

Methods to Preserve Time: Methods to Look Busy

Methods to Preserve Time: Methods to Look Busy


Many people complain about being too busy—and about not having sufficient time to do the issues we actually need to do. However has busyness develop into an excuse for our lack of ability to give attention to what issues?

In line with Neeru Paharia, a advertising professor at Arizona State College, time is a type of luxurious good—the extra of it you have got, the extra helpful you might be. However her analysis additionally revealed that, for a lot of Individuals, having much less time and being busy could be a standing image for others to note. And relating to the indicators we create for ourselves, sociologist Melissa Mazmanian reveals just a few myths that could be maintaining us from dwelling the lives we wish with the significant connections we crave.

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The next transcript has been edited for readability:

Becca Rashid: Ian, I used to be having lunch with a good friend final weekend who was attempting to arrange a celebration for her colleague.

Ian Bogost: Okay; nice.

Rashid: And, typical story, she stated she was having hassle gathering everybody as a result of everybody was too busy and it was unimaginable to get them to commit.

Bogost: In fact.

Rashid: However my favourite half was that she stated one particular person within the group stated she couldn’t make it as a result of she needed to go to Crate & Barrel that night time.

Bogost: She was going to Crate & Barrel?

Rashid: She needed to go to Crate & Barrel at 7 p.m. on a Friday. That was already in her schedule.

Bogost: She had a flatware appointment?

Rashid: Yeah, I assume.

Bogost: Wow.

Rashid: I imply often I don’t thoughts when folks inform me they’re busy for work—however these sorts of causes really feel a lot extra frequent. Although collectively, the highest-earning Individuals, particularly males, on common have been working much less. So how can it’s that everybody is continually busy, with what? Like, I simply don’t know.

Bogost: Yeah; we’re not simply busy due to work, although. It’s one thing else too.

Rashid: I’m Becca Rashid, producer and co-host of the How To collection.

Bogost: And I’m Ian Bogost, co-host and contributing author at The Atlantic.

Rashid: That is Methods to Preserve Time.

Bogost: I’ve been studying a little bit about this concept referred to as “motion habit.” And I ought to say right here that this isn’t essentially, you understand, absolutely accepted within the behavioral psychology neighborhood. There’s numerous dispute about what sort of behavioral addictions actually exist, however the concept behind motion habit is that starting a brand new process—any form of process, no matter it’s—releases a little bit dopamine in your mind the identical manner that pulling the slot-machine lever does.

And in the identical manner that each one behavioral compulsions do, that feeling decays. And you then lengthy for extra. And that’s filling our time: that want for novel emotions, novel sensations, which we pursue as a substitute of going out to dinner with our mates.

Rashid: Proper. And I really feel like many people say we don’t have time for different folks or want we had extra time for a social life, but it surely looks like there’s some compulsion to remain busy with random duties and chores to the purpose of constructing ourselves unavailable.

Bogost: I ponder if that unavailability—being unavailable—is sort of some extent of delight?

Rashid: Oh yeah. Or a option to simply sign to one another, “Sorry, I’ve higher issues to do. You must have gotten on my calendar earlier for those who needed to see me.”

Bogost: Yeah; I ponder how this occurred. If it has develop into normalized to look busy, culturally, when did it develop into accepted?

Rashid: Mm hmm.

Bogost: Why is busyness supposedly a present of significance, when it simply feels horrible really?

Rashid: Proper.


Bogost: So, Becca, I talked to Neeru Paharia just a few weeks in the past. She’s a consumer-marketing professor at Arizona State College, and he or she research busyness.

Neeru Paharia: Time has this property of being scarce. So, if you concentrate on luxurious merchandise, most of their worth isn’t practical and as a substitute is solely symbolic.

Bogost: She had some revealing issues to say concerning the ways in which time could be a kind of social asset.

Paharia: So if you concentrate on, for instance—a diamond ring has really no intrinsic worth. So then the query is: Why do folks spend a lot cash on one thing that has no worth? And it turns on the market’s numerous psychological worth in one thing like a diamond.


Paharia: After we take into consideration merchandise which are scarce, there are only a few of them on the market, so folks actually need them. After we take into consideration an individual as being scarce, then we consider shortage when it comes to time.

So, how a lot time do you have got? Properly, when you’ve got little or no time, you then, in and of your self, are considerably of a scarce useful resource. After which folks may come to really feel that you just’re extra helpful, or have extra social standing.

So for those who, for instance, attempt to schedule a gathering with any individual they usually let you know, “Properly, I’ve about quarter-hour at 4:15, two months from now”—that could be a very clear indication to the receiver of that proposition that they have to be vital. Or for those who go to a physician and you will get an appointment, you understand, as we speak, your inference once more may be, “Properly, they have to not be superb, as a result of they’re not in demand.”

Bogost: Is that this a uniquely American phenomenon? Are there different cultures the place busyness has the identical social standing because it does in America?

Paharia: We ran research within the U.S., and we ran research in Italy. So in Italy, there’s extra of the sense of standing that the rich can each waste time and waste cash. And that you just achieve your social standing from your loved ones and your loved ones identify, versus the U.S., the place you achieve your social standing by working exhausting, incomes some huge cash, and form of climbing the ladder in that manner.

And what we discovered was that within the U.S., a really busy particular person was seen to have extra social standing than a much less busy particular person. However in Italy, it was the precise reverse. So there, the one who had time for leisure was seen as having extra social standing than the one who needed to work. And in order that type of displays the extra conventional concept that for those who’re actually rich, you don’t must work. You will have social standing when it comes to having cash, and you’ve got social standing as a result of you have got a lot time. Individuals who have much less sources must work to purchase meals, to have housing. They must work. And due to this fact, the busy folks have a decrease social standing.

Bogost: You’ve appeared into this in your work across the form of humblebragging that individuals do round their busyness. Are you able to inform us a little bit about that?

Paharia: So humblebragging is a brag disguised as a grievance. So, I typically will simply see what individuals are posting on Fb. And one particular person stated one thing like, “I had a gathering in D.C. this morning, after which I had lunch in New York within the afternoon. In Boston for dinner, for an additional assembly. I’m so exhausted.” I believed, Wow, like, what’s the level of that publish?

Bogost: What is the purpose of that publish? Why would we need to brag about not having free time? Isn’t that what we wish, in principle?

Paharia: I can communicate a little bit bit to the historic context of it. So, there was a principle a few years in the past by this gentleman named Thorstein Veblen, and he talked about how the rich have each cash to waste and time to waste. So you possibly can waste your cash on luxurious merchandise, gem stones, and many others.—that form of stuff—and you’ll waste your time on, you understand, studying the way to journey horses and studying these very intricate mannerisms of, you understand, the place the fork and the knives and all that stuff goes. So his principle was that the very rich and the very high-status folks have so many sources that they may waste each their cash and their time.

Bogost: Mm hmm.

Paharia: That has developed, a minimum of in American tradition, the place having much less time is seen as helpful. And I feel numerous that has come from our sense of social mobility: this perception that you could work exhausting and climb the ladder.

Bogost: I’m pondering again to the diamonds; you want sources to purchase them. However I might simply faux like I’m extra busy than I actually am, which could make myself seem extra vital. Do folks run that form of calculus? Are folks occupied with their time in that manner?

Paharia: Yeah; so that you’re asking to what extent are folks strategically doing this? I feel individuals are doing it not essentially with a full consciousness that, Hey, you understand what, I’m going to say I’m busy, as a result of I would like folks to assume I’m vital. However typically these items form of linger in our consciousness proper beneath the floor.

Individuals are motivated to be busy as a result of they’re not solely signaling to different people who they’re vital, however they’re signaling to themselves that they’re vital.


Rashid: So Ian, I suppose it is smart to me that we’ve some innate want to really feel vital and valued by society requirements. However I additionally surprise if folks have adjusted their ranges of busyness for the reason that pandemic.

I imply—I’d assume that a few of that compulsion to make use of each minute of our time productively, or for some future purpose, is a response to after we couldn’t use our time in all of the methods we in any other case would have.

Bogost: Oh, that’s so fascinating, Becca.

Rashid: So, possibly some a part of this busyness factor is to make up for that point we really feel like we misplaced.

Bogost: It’s actually tragic to consider it that manner, isn’t it? That yeah, you understand, the pandemic was extremely traumatic and complicated, but it surely occurred. And to proceed to obsess over the misplaced time, after which to lose extra time at attempting to recuperate it, is sort of worse.

Rashid: Mm hmm.

Bogost: Perhaps it’s additionally as a result of we’re conditioned to really feel like a busy particular person. , that form of busy-bee persona the place you’re at all times buzzing round, getting issues performed. And I imply, I definitely really feel that manner—that that’s a advantage I’m speculated to pursue.

Rashid: Hmm.

Bogost: I’ve like, I don’t know, half a dozen totally different roles: on the college, at The Atlantic, in my house life. It definitely makes me seem busy. It makes me really feel busy. And typically I ponder: Am I busy in a great way? Or do I simply seem busy?

, it’s simple to look busy by simply doing a ton of issues that possibly don’t matter.

Rashid: Proper.

Bogost: And that doesn’t appear to match the spirit of what we imply, or what we expect we imply, after we discuss a busy one who’s productive, and that’s why they’re busy.

Rashid: Proper; and it looks as if doing it nicely isn’t the purpose.

Bogost: I used to be curious to ask Neeru about that. About what it looks like, what can occur, when busyness begins to only fully take over.


Paharia: There’s this tendency to need to overschedule your self, and it could possibly be coming from, “I need to really feel vital; I would like different folks to really feel that I’m vital.” There’s some existential dread of an excessive amount of idleness—you understand, if [you] have an excessive amount of time, your thoughts may go to darkish locations.

I feel lots of people do attempt to maintain themselves busy as a result of it’s a distraction, you understand, from among the greater existential questions that may come up about our life right here on Earth and the time that we spend right here. So creating a way of busyness for your self can result in a sense that you just your self have type of a motive to be, in a manner.

Bogost: Is there a option to cease normalizing busyness as an excuse?

Paharia: I really feel like one of many issues could be to mirror again and take into consideration: Is it making you content? Is it making you content to overschedule your self, if that’s, in actual fact, what you’re doing? Or are you feeling overwhelmed by that?

The second query is: What’s the worry behind not having a schedule? Is it that you just’ll don’t have anything to do, or that you just’ll be bored, or that you just’ll then develop into agitated? However there’s typically a compulsion to maintain going.

Bogost: Yeah; it’s so fascinating. I imply, I want there have been simpler solutions. However you’re proper. It’s so exhausting to cease.

Paharia: One of many issues we do in our household is we attempt to not overschedule ourselves. So many weekends we’ve no plans in any respect, and have just a few different households and mates who additionally haven’t any different plans. And so then it turns into extra of a spontaneous form of option to get along with folks. It provides us some area, you understand: “Hey, what can we really feel like doing proper now? Let’s go get a espresso, or do one thing like that.”


Rashid: Listening to Neeru discuss busyness as a standing image, Ian, is form of humorous to me. It’s like this private struggling that we inflict upon ourselves to make folks assume we’ve a life, or we’re needed by numerous different folks—we’re standard. And on the similar time, it’s its personal type of avoidance mechanism. It looks as if I’ve so many mates who say, “I really like to remain busy, as a result of, you understand, I don’t need to be alone with my ideas.”

Bogost: Oh my god…

Rashid: What if we’d genuinely be happier taking that point to do nothing and never really feel dangerous about it?

Bogost: Proper. Feeling dangerous about it…

Rashid: As an alternative of multitasking into oblivion—you understand, like holding our telephone whereas we’re watching a film, or FaceTiming somebody whereas we’re cooking dinner—at all times having to do one million issues directly.

Bogost: Yeah. And attempting to do the whole lot unexpectedly, it’s not even probably the most helpful option to get issues performed nicely.

Rashid: Proper, in fact.

Bogost: There’s analysis on “switching prices,” which is only a identify for the time you lose if you swap duties. And the proof reveals that the price of switching from studying a e book to checking my telephone as a result of it buzzed might really trigger me to do each of these actions much less effectively…relying on the duties we’re switching from and to. One examine reveals switching prices can result in a lack of as much as 40 % of somebody’s productive time.

Rashid: Oh, wow. I imply, I’m not completely stunned by that—however I additionally fall into this lure of pondering that these people who find themselves actually efficient at multitasking are additionally probably the most bold or completed amongst my mates. However the type of busyness for busyness’s sake, which doesn’t essentially have something to do with undertaking an enormous purpose or something like that…

Bogost: You’re simply ticking off bins. You’re doing all of your to-dos, even for those who don’t must.

Rashid: Proper. I feel it’s robust when busyness isn’t a alternative. Like working dad and mom—the folks taking good care of their youngsters and their very own dad and mom concurrently—and, you understand, simply maintaining with that. The dropoffs, the docs’ appointments, the shift schedules, on prime of simply being wholesome, having a social life. , I might go on and on. However that small hit of “I’ve performed the whole lot I must do as we speak; I’m being accountable; I’m productive member of society”—that little excessive—doesn’t really feel the identical as “I had the presence of thoughts as we speak to ask my child how their day went and really hear their response.”

Bogost: Yeah. And you understand, the actually scary half is: It form of does make you mother or father or no matter. , like you may in all probability go your complete profession, possibly your complete life, simply doing a bunch of issues. Simply ticking off bins,

Rashid: Yeah.

Bogost: And other people would in all probability choose you to have been profitable.

Rashid: Yep.

Bogost: You had been a noble particular person. What’s the choice to doing a bunch of issues? It’s like: You had been slothful. You had been lazy.

Rashid: Proper. Not less than that’s the stigma, that you just obtained nothing performed.

Bogost: Even when the belongings you obtained performed had been meaningless, you continue to obtained them performed.

Rashid: I discovered this fascinating analysis about dad and mom, whose main concern with their teenagers’ social-media use—other than simply seeing inappropriate content material on-line—the second two prime considerations are children losing their time and never getting their homework performed. Each of which really feel like a worth judgment about, you understand: “I don’t desire a lazy child.”

Bogost: Yeah: “You’re losing your time. What are you doing, observing your telephone?”

Rashid: Proper, and possibly it doesn’t must be “I’m lazy after I’m not occupied,” however possibly simply not having busyness be the principle factor that makes us really feel like worthy, helpful members of society

Bogost: Yeah. It’s like: Busyness by itself isn’t essentially the issue. You simply need the correct amount of it. And we positively don’t have the correct amount of it.

Rashid: I’m curious to be taught from an skilled who can clarify the place this stress comes from to be continuously busy, be task-oriented, forward of the whole lot else. And I ponder if there’s a option to stability the social stress of wanting busy with the precise obligations of our day-to-day life.


Melissa Mazmanian: All people repeatedly advised us that proper now was a very busy time.

Mazmanian: And subsequent week, or subsequent quarter, or subsequent month, it was going to get higher. And so, I feel we oftentimes make sense of our busyness and our emotions of overwhelm by feeling like—if we “simply recover from this hump” or this deadline.

Rashid: So Ian, I talked to Melissa Mazmanian, who’s a sociologist from UC Irvine. And he or she co-wrote a e book in 2020 referred to as Desires of the Overworked: Residing, Working, and Parenting within the Digital Age, and her analysis analyzes why American adults wrestle with overwork and this unmanageable busyness that she says goes past simply schedules.

Mazmanian: My colleague Christine Beckman and a graduate pupil, Ellie Harmon, and myself spent round 80 to 100 hours with every household. And we simply frolicked with these households. And thru these sorts of micro-moments of on a regular basis life, you see how individuals are attempting to be the best employee whereas nonetheless prioritizing different elements of their life.

Rashid: She lays out three myths that inspire American adults to remain continuously occupied: the will to be the best employee, have the proper physique, and be the proper mother or father.

Bogost: Yeah, these are positively goals.

Mazmanian: When it comes to the people who I’m finding out, I’ll discover that the individuals who purchase in additional are typically extra careworn and really feel like extra of a failure, proper? So, the extra that you just really feel like, “No, no, no, I really ought to be capable to be an ideal mother or father, and I ought to be capable to run 5 to 10 miles a day, and I ought to be capable to be seen as a super employee,”—the extra you’re dedicated to that and unwilling to query what it seems to be prefer to be mother or father and employee in a wholesome physique—the more durable it’s. As a result of they’re basically unimaginable.

Rashid: So Ian, if Neeru’s saying busyness signifies to others that we’re helpful in a roundabout way, I requested Melissa to elucidate the opposite aspect of that—how busyness could make us really feel helpful to ourselves.


Mazmanian: I don’t assume I’m alone in somebody who’s at all times carrying—nearly like you concentrate on a wave going out, and there’s just like the trickle of water after the wave that we’re carrying alongside. This trickle of water of all of the issues we didn’t get to: all of the emails I didn’t reply, all of the occasions I didn’t do my exercise. All of the occasions I wasn’t there for my youngsters. And managing that’s, I feel, one of many fascinating sorts of truths of dwelling in Western society.

So initially, I don’t know what it means to be genuinely overworked.

Rashid: Heh heh heh.

Mazmanian: I don’t know if many individuals do. There’s some research that present that individuals will actually hit a breaking level, which implies that your physique breaks down, otherwise you develop addictions of varied varieties, etcetera. That’s excessive.

So what does it imply to reside a sustainable life like that? You’re daily feeling such as you’ll be capable to get up the following day, and possibly there’s some ups and downs. However that it feels genuinely sustainable.

One factor that was fascinating was that everyone repeatedly advised us that proper now was a very busy time.

Rashid: Hmm.

Mazmanian: And subsequent week, or subsequent quarter, or subsequent month, it was going to get higher. And so I feel we oftentimes make sense of our busyness and our emotions of overwhelm by feeling like—if we “simply recover from this hump,” or this deadline.

However there’s rather a lot in our lives such that these humps and deadlines frequently occur. We’re balancing the cycle of a college yr; we’re balancing the cycle of monetary quarters; we’re balancing the cycle of synthetic deadlines that we make for ourselves at work and in our private life.

We even have these sorts of life-cycle deadlines that we placed on ourselves. Every little thing from “What age ought to I get married?”—I feel a few of these are crumbling, however—“If I would like youngsters, what age ought to I’ve youngsters?” We live when it comes to one million form of created deadlines, which make it really feel like there’s at all times the following factor. That “If I simply recover from this, I’ll really feel higher.”

Rashid: Did you discover something in your analysis that explains that optimism that individuals have? That proper now could be the busiest second—however subsequent week it’ll definitely get higher, and I’ll have extra free time to do the factor I really need?

Mazmanian: So I’ll say one of many specific issues to say right here is that individuals in our examine weren’t sad. These weren’t individuals who really stated, like, “I need to do much less.” What they’re saying is, “I need to do what I’m doing higher.”

That is on a regular basis life that, a minimum of for these human beings, doesn’t really feel like overwork, burnout, about to lose it. That is simply: “I want I might do it with a little bit extra sanity, a little bit extra sleep. , rather less intense.”

We’ve develop into so dedicated to the concept that “doing all of it” is what the purpose is. That that is productiveness—that that is what I must do to be ok with who I’m on the planet. And in order that optimism comes with the concept that I’m really getting numerous pleasure and satisfaction from feeling like I might be the superhero.


Rashid: So, Melissa, mothers with intense time stress can face the next threat of mental-health points. So, I’m stunned to be taught that in your analysis busy or overworked individuals are not essentially extra careworn or sad. Have been there any gender variations within the optimism round busyness? Or did you uncover something about who’s probably to realize that type of superhero standing with their busy schedules?

Mazmanian: There may be analysis by Erin Reid that reveals each women and men chafe in opposition to these ideal-worker norms within the office. However males have a better time, quote, passing as a super employee—that means that in the event that they go away early, somebody watches them go away early they usually assume, “Oh, that man is leaving as a result of he’s obtained one other assembly some place else,” or “He’s going to go to the consumer.” A girl leaves early? Individuals are likely to assume, “Oh, that lady’s leaving early as a result of her child has a physician’s appointment.”

Rashid: Mm hmm.

Mazmanian: , we’ve gendered associations with how folks use their time and show it at work.

Rashid: How did we go from that type of eight-hour workday normal to turning into obsessive about controlling each little block of our days? Just like the: “8 a.m. to eight:15, I’ll eat breakfast. 8:30 to 9, I’ll do my exercise.” Like, how did we get to that time of scheduling each minute?

Mazmanian: Going manner again in time to the Benedictine monks. This was the primary place in Western society the place—and that is work from Eviatar Zerubavel, scholar of time and scheduling and form of histories of time. He seems to be again on the Benedictine monks as the primary time the place what was seen as a valued social order and a fascinating social order—which is spiritually pure, I suppose—is one wherein time is common on the stage of the hour.

Earlier than that, you form of have spiritual rites throughout this time of yr, or schedules based mostly on festivals or holidays. However the Benedictine monks: They introduced it all the way down to the extent of the hour. And each hour was speculated to have a non secular goal.

And this concept that you just get up right now, and have the glory of God, and you then go to, you understand, Mass. And within the monastery, you may go searching and know what time it was based mostly on what everyone was doing, proper? So what you do first, second, third of the day was actually sedimented in these monasteries. And I feel you possibly can see the roots of that into what you’re speaking about when it comes to our on a regular basis life as we speak.

Rashid: I needed to get again to one thing you stated earlier about these cycles of time or these cycles in our lives—all of these type of time markers that point out after we ought to do what at what time. And as that pertains to the nine-to-five, like: How did we develop this cadence?

Mazmanian: So previous to the Industrial Revolution, folks had been working extremely lengthy hours. Your work and life had been completely form of merged collectively. After which with the Industrial Revolution and other people leaving and going to factories, they had been fully overworked. Exploited to the purpose the place their our bodies had been breaking down and so forth.

[Henry] Ford established an eight-hour work shift on his manufacturing crops, and that was proper earlier than the Nice Melancholy. Then the Melancholy occurred. Lots of people obtained laid off. And [W.K.] Kellogg, who was the Kellogg cereal man, he really instituted a six-hour work shift so he’d pay folks a little bit bit much less, however get extra folks again at work by doing six hours. Now apparently, Kellogg really had one other perception within the worth of free time and leisure time.

And there was this complete language across the Industrial Revolution that we had been going to develop into so environment friendly that everyone was going to have a ton of leisure time. And that this was really going to be a disaster of humanity, as a result of we wouldn’t know what to do with all of our free time. So there’s an entire tutorial scholarship on the time that was leisure research, which was like: “Oh, no. What are we going to do after we all have an excessive amount of time?” Properly, fast-forward 100 years; that’s not the case. And it seems that in the long run, the capitalist enterprise is so sturdy that when you’ve got free time, folks are likely to commit it again to work so as to attempt to make more cash.

So Kellogg saved his six-hour shifts, however by the Fifties, mainly everybody had chosen to return to an eight-hour shift as a result of they needed the 2 additional hours and more cash. So we are likely to prioritize cash over time, and I don’t know why. However I feel that could be a little bit of an ethical and social worth that we’ve develop into accustomed to.


Bogost: So Becca, about 10 years in the past now I invented this phrase: “hyper-employment.”

Rashid: Is it totally different from simply selecting to work extra so as to make more cash?

Bogost: It’s the concept that you have got all these little jobs that you just didn’t beforehand have and will not be actual jobs—like ones you’re not getting paid for—however you’re accountable for the work. Like, possibly it’s important to do your individual accounting and expense stories at your job, the place beforehand another person would deal with that work. It’d be an entire job taking good care of accounting. For instance, consider all of the issues that you just do as a result of smartphones and computer systems allow you to do them. You’re your individual journey agent.

Rashid: Proper, proper.

Bogost: And it’s important to handle your private model on Instagram or LinkedIn or no matter. And also you form of want to do this to be knowledgeable on the planet. It’s non-compulsory but additionally form of obligatory now.

Rashid: Attention-grabbing. And that hyper-employment additionally provides that additional scheduled element. Like, now it’s important to purchase a film ticket upfront, or it’s important to put within the work upfront to schedule it.

Bogost: Yeah; now that’s your accountability. And for those who mess it up, it’s your fault too.

Rashid: Proper.


Mazmanian: Loads of what motivates us to behave, what motivates us to spend our time in sure methods, what motivates us to make use of know-how in sure methods—nicely, oftentimes your core motives are actually a way that, “, I’m a worthy human who’s doing the appropriate factor, and I can be ok with myself.”

And people core senses of self? Certain, they arrive from character; they arrive from background; they arrive from some innate character traits. However as a sociologist, I’m a agency believer that numerous what provides us worth is predicated on our society.

Rashid: However why would folks aspire to “do all of it” once they fairly actually know that they will’t? You might be giving these items of time—like, what’s acceptable to do at 8 a.m.? A exercise, let’s say. It’s a lot more durable to do at 2 a.m., a minimum of for me. So, like, is it even potential?

Mazmanian: Properly, you’re making us sound like very rational people. And I simply don’t assume we’re. I feel that we’ve these sorts of values that translate into wishes or thrusts or hopes or goals, or how we really feel like we must always reside our lives.


Bogost: So Becca, studying to catch your self on this act of speaking about being busy or feeling busy—possibly that’s step one to taming it. Like for me, that “How are you? I’m busy” chorus—I feel it means “I do know what I’m doing, however I’m disconnected from why I’m doing it or the place it’s main.”

Rashid: Attention-grabbing. So for you, the busyness looks like some distraction or cop-out from really occupied with the way you’re doing?

Bogost: Proper.

Rashid: I feel that Crate & Barrel story—to return to that—bothered me as a result of somebody is attempting to have fun their birthday, they usually must additionally settle for the truth that they’re much less vital than, you understand, a versatile home-decor chore that clearly might be shifted round.

Bogost: Proper. That might have been performed anytime. However, you understand, the particular person doing the home-decor chore—they might not even actually be prioritizing it over their good friend. They’re identical to, “I’m busy. On to the following factor. I gotta go to the shop. I’ve gotta do this.”

Rashid: True.

Bogost: I do know after I’m in that mode, I simply have this sturdy sense that I don’t know what I’m doing subsequent, and I must determine it out.

Rashid: And that type of provides you some feeling of safety, proper? Like, I do know what’s subsequent. And also you’re proper: I suppose possibly I’m making it extra private than it needs to be, as a result of mainstream American tradition doesn’t make it significantly socially acceptable to truly inform somebody the way you’re feeling.

So many conversations in maturity are what I name “life replace” talks. It’s simply type of an trade of plans and schedules and holidays arising, and issues that I’ve left to get performed this week, and…

Bogost: “I’m going to unencumber proper after I…”

Rashid: Yeah. I imply, shocker—it does make it more durable to truly get a way of how somebody’s doing. I feel it could be useful to faucet into why we do what we do, and if we might clarify or talk a bit extra of that, it’s higher than simply, “I’m busy, and I don’t need to allow you to into my world.”

Bogost: Yeah. And you understand when you find yourself busy, it’d imply that you just’re simply on autopilot.

Rashid: So true.

Bogost: “Busy”: That’s purple flag. It’s like a possibility to mirror, and to ask your self, “What am I feeling on this scenario? What am I doing?” And the reply may be “Nothing.”

Rashid: Not less than “much less.”

Bogost: Or a minimum of “much less.”


Rashid: Ian, have you ever ever tried consuming a clock?

Bogost: Consuming a clock? I haven’t tried that.

Rashid: It’s very time consuming.

Bogost: Oh my gosh.


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